What you see a lot are riders who are (claiming) to be really light with decent but not exceptional watts. You make a good pointthere isnt a published race ruleset that clearly states that riders are 1) required to use accurate weight and 2) enter the correct race category. The winners are almost always people with recorded weights sub 70kgs, more typically 65kgs, even 59! You must be a much better person than me, because thats something I will Never make peace with. To change your profile to have to log in on the Zwift website and then edit the profile there. The categories currently used in most Zwift events are based on your FTP watts per kilo- that is, your FTP in watts, divided by your weight in kilograms. Zwift Insider is independent of Zwift corporate (www.zwift.com), although Zwift does provide funding to help defray site costs. (better than any bike upgrade i could afford) Yes its great to win,but as long as you improve yourself who cares what anyone else does.You will always get cheaters,dodgy equipment and so on so just enjoyRead more . In IRL there is a double draft. Though our intent is to protect potentially vulnerable users by removing labels that can trigger unhealthy behaviour What are they trying to protect? As others have said, your higher weight helps on flat courses. Then lets stop with all athletic competition! Maybe they should display and categorise HR as a %age? Share your thoughts below, and you may also wish to share those thoughts on the actual forum post. Whilst this might be the case, as Eric implies in flat races light weight riders have to work harder to stay in touch with the heavier riders in the bunch. LOL. EDIT Found my answer: 250w, Theres a chart about halfway down this page: https://zwiftpower.com/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=5528. There is no cat C rider at 58kg who has a hope in hell of beating me in any race. Zwift doesn't need a fancy code fix, they don't need special anti-cheat software, special post race investigations, and they don't need to change anything other than when the game updates personal attributes. When you're in the game, click "Menu". Most of my ZwiftRead more . As long as youre being honest with yourself I wouldnt worry about it too much. I dont mind the low HRs but the low power and high w/kg really irk me! Zwift Insider is independent of Zwift corporate (www.zwift.com), although Zwift does provide funding to help defray site costs. This is real frustrating as hes a top u12 racer and wants to see his efforts recognise. Gain a few (virtual) pounds. But the vast majority do not. Have you ever compared numbers for calories burned, power output and even elevation ridden for a Zwift ride uploaded to Strava? It must be very hard to do with many, many lines of code to implement otherwise it wouldve been done by now, In reality these changes would not (will not) impact cheating. I think one of the biggest issues with weight (and height) in Zwift is that you get punished really hard for something you only have limited control over. People can be far to either direction im 25 and my max that I have hit is 217. Why try to force IRL parameters that can not be enforced. I rode outside last night, and Im sure I will again soon. I recently won a C race, but it didnt feel like winning as I knew there were 2 categories faster. If Zwift can be seen to be doing that then very little need toRead more . You only change it in Zwift and it should get picked up with regular backend processing periodically (maybe overnight). Everyone races at the same weight/height. Im assuming you should weigh just before getting on the bike with all kit including shoes and not just before stepping into the post-ride shower (shorn of all kit and approx 1kg of sweat). yea but realistically is it worth it for them to dedicate the resources to that $$$$$$$, Well, thats good news. IRL if your weight is 85kg, itll take you longer to climb the Ventoux than if your weight is 65. I guess I could play the same game and pretend to be 65kgs (350/65 = an impressive 5.38w/kg), This is where Zwifts scaling of CdA on height and weight gets out of whack with reality. Yes, but hopefully the system would be designed so, if drop a category then begin doing well, you get upgraded again! Introducing a horrible measure that addresses a problem that doesnt exist, and subsequently retracting it following mass protest is not exactly what I would call revolutionary change. Im surprised that (off wheel) smart trainers dont have the ability to weigh the rider when they get on the bike. In spectacular and shocking fashion. Category systems are complex beasts, of course, I agree, people can have fun with weight doping and such aslong they dont enter competitive races. My power to weight is decent at about 4w/kg. If thats the norm, then I really dont see theRead more . People still rode at B level pace in a C group. She can crank but her w/kg is low. The other race, events, and activities are needed to display that data. With racer categories? First, you need to sign up for an account. And one cheater leads to another and its an arms race of gaming the game. Todd_S (Todd S) March 12, 2015, 3:09am #4 I'm new to the app. Best turbo trainers: Smart trainers to improve your indoor cycling experience Fluctuations of a few percent would be tolerated and percent change would be displayed on ZP. You could attend races where all categories go together (same start, all riders visible) for a while if you find that to be more fun .Personally I one of the outliers on height and weight. Someone sandbagging will get promoted out of category and will not be allowed to reg for lower categories. Hitting G on your keyboard will do it, or swipe up on iPhone or iPad, etc then tap the graph button. Finally, just head back to ZwiftPower and click 'Connect to my Account'. Is a very strong rider for his age and trains hard. I am always passed by everyone on the way up but can usually catch up on the way down (190cm/93kg). Mike, Great article as ever Eric. Nailed it. If other people want to obsess about my weight thats up to them but I wont. I dont know why this is, but i dont care one bit if people are cheating. I said if its not done during a competitive Zwift event, its not a problem. I would include chasing Strava Zwift KOMs as a competitive event (but I could see how what I said could be interpreted otherwise. Too heavy watts are up but watts per kilo goes down. We would like to thank the community for your passion and feedback. Work over time is work over time. Its a huge problem. He lives in Northern California with his beautiful wife, two kids and dog. That's pretty straightforward the usual email, username, password, terms and conditions so you won't have any trouble with this step. , Myself being a lighter rider who fluctuates some 2kg during a week I tend to always use my upper weight giving me a lower Wkg. There is enough variation in power profile to make it interesting without weight, what makes racing fun is trying to create tactics that favour yourRead more , Interesting & well reasoned article which answers a lot of things which were puzzling me. It certainly didnt feel like I had taken it easy when IRead more . Among the communicated changes were plans to hide the visibility of height and weight from ZwiftPower in an effort to encourage individual health and wellness. Conserving energy is a key part of successful bike racing. In fact, if in a long ride your weight could change by more than 1kg over the course of that one ride!!! was the lowest of top 15 riders. Hopefully ZHQ will take a harder look the changes that have been proposed over the past year or so. I have climbed well and I have suffered on climbs but also sprinted well. So what! This isnt IRL racing it is e-racing. Since strava is all that matters of course. If you're on Zwift and planning to get racing, then signing up to the third-party app ZwiftPower (opens in new tab) is an essential step. People with eating disorders, or a proclivity toward extreme dieting. Leave the setting unchanged and climbs often feel challenging. I started started zwift four months ago as a retirement present to myself. Head to http://my.zwift.com/ and hover your mouse cursor over the 'Download' button under one of your activities. Updating Your Public Profile Zwift takes your physical measurements into account for things like leaderboards, speed, and your avatar's physical appea. Everything you need to know about the third-party Zwift results and analysis website. While most Zwifters seemed to understand and even appreciate the intent behind the change, there was concern that removing this information would result in increased height/weight doping. Thanks! Im glad you wrote about this. Great article, Eric. Youre having fun winning (or nearly winning) C races! It will not eliminate this behavior but the races will be much more realistic and enjoyable. I understand if someone has a banner day or just bumped up out of upper C to lower B. Youve got people putting out 5+ watts/kilo atRead more . Totally agree with you. This can be seen by comparing Zwift physics with real life physics (calculated by websites likeRead more . Ill remain skeptical until I see some actual changes. Last week we announced Zwifts plans to remove rider height and weight from ZwiftPower, among other changes (read the full post here). I started zwifting about 2 1/2 months ago.I did the ftp test and put in the correct weight.Ive no idea how precise my trainer is tho.what i do know is,Ive managed to go from cat c to a. Would depend entirely upon the bike geometry, how much weight is over the front wheel and how much over the back. So its not Zwift putting you at a disadvantage but the situation itself, just as you would be in the real world in that situation. But then you could have someone in the same age group who maxes out at 170. This community-driven site is maintained by Eric Schlange and a team of Zwift enthusiasts. The latest race content, interviews, features, reviews and expert buying guides, direct to your inbox! Its more fun and engaging that way, for me at least. It's also possible to filter results and data by categories, such as different age or power ranges. I lost some weight during these few months and gained on FTP Now facing going to C and not getting any good results within the category, Eric, thanks for bringing this to light. Withings scale that automatically updates your Zwift weight, a month ago in the final post of my race category series, https://smartscalesync.com/?utm_source=tr, https://zwiftpower.com/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=5528, https://zwiftinsider.com/how-does-zwift-calculate-my-speed/, Zwift x UCI To Host Cycling Events for the Olympic Esports Series 2023, Race London ZRacing March Series Details, Notable Zwift Events for the Weekend of March 4-5. I disagree with you on this point. I have seen riders weighting 56 kgs and week later they are 35 kgs. For example, if a rider has an FTP of 210 watts and weighs 75 kilograms, that means the rider's FTP is 2.8 w/kg. I am in the 5 percentile of height and weight at 52 and 130lb with my lowest weight of 118 lbs in my racing career. They do however have a disadvantage on any flat or downhill. It's possible to check just about any kind of Zwift result using ZwiftPower, with the website sortable by leagues, race series and segments. Thats a good thing. Just like the CEO promised us rowing years ago, right? I dont think any of my shorter (under 5ft10) running or cycling friends weights more than that. It's harder than real racing. As for the weight, I weight 190lbs, (86Ks) I put in 190lbs. Thats not what I recall at all, everything is a race, even if you werent aware . I climbed the Alpe last night for Stage 3 of the Tour of Watopia, missing my target of going under an hour by just over 12 seconds (Aargh!!). I ride B category races & never podium but have been puzzled as I always seem to have a higher w/kg than most of the other riders in the race. Do you believe weight doping (reverse or otherwise) is a big problem in Zwift racing, and if so, what can be done about it? ), So what is reverse weight doping? So am I a super-drafter, the king of indoor efficiency? In real life, Id dust that guy. for example,Read more . And flags height and weight changes if they go up or down alot. If I get down to 52 kilos I can climb well but my sprinting is terrible. Im not heavy (68kg), have a typical climber/TT phenotype (no short sprint but good FTP). I rarely race, don't care. If someone on zwift holds an avg power at a given heart rate, then goes out on the road and holds that same heart rate but cannot sustain even close to that power, I am sorry, but that isnt physiology; that is hardware. True, but not necessarily in the way you think. My FTP/kg is 3.88, which I now know would make me a B racer (3.2-3.9). I currently use the Garmin Smart Scale so I may invest in the Withings scale. Zwift essentially encourages people to be less than truthful about their weight. We are new to Zwift and My son Whos 12 has used it to race to make up for his list u12 crit season. We remain committed to protecting the health and well being of the broader Zwift Community, and we look forward to enacting additional measures in the future. Im a heavy rider at 102kgs and 193cm tall I once reverse doped my weight at the top of the radio tower to try and achieve the 100km/HR badge It had the opposite effect in that I was actually slower than when descending at my actual weight lol I dont race other than against myself so Ive never weight doped as such My observations recently however have created an awareness of how many stick insects ride bikes on zwift . The race I did had all categories racing together with a mass start, so the categories felt arbitrary as my place was not within my chosen category but across the whole field anyway. I agree Paul great idea. (Example: if your FTP is 300 watts and you weigh 75kg, your FTP w/kg would be 300/75, or 4 w/kg.) Im 70 inches tall and 156 pounds right now vs 166lb on Jan 1. As soon as I start pedaling Im pretty much into threshold (around 170bpm). The only trouble is the downhill doesnt take as long of course, so the light advantage is obviously better. Completing this first step means that you've given permission to share your results and activity history with ZwiftPower, so now all of your performance and race data can be transferred across to the website. Maybe with a KICKR Climb it might be possible. But Its hard to confirm whether or not its transmitting the weight to Zwift. Zwift excessively rewards the athlete for being light and small. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); document.getElementById( "ak_js_2" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Im not too concerned about weight doping really. Well Eric, my weight is plummeting, and Ill probably be taking a break from Zwift over the summer, so Im sure the upgrade is coming very soon!!! Best Zwift setups: Indoor cycling setups to give you the competitive edge. Now you'll have to head over to ZwiftPower.com and register there. I think with a results based system would help as it would the sandbaggers, but it wont eliminate the weight cheats entirely, those that just want to gain a little more w/kg by losing a few virtual pounds. would that be cheating then ? For the time being, height and weight will remain visible on ZwiftPower. If it is.. someone must be able to point me to the rule where it says that it is forbidden..? IRL cycling pros are not exactly heavy weights and lean-ness is highly encouraged. I was told that was possible but I couldnt see how. Had assumed I just rode inefficiently. I am racing in the Cs finishing in the 40-50s but there are 30 + racers ahead of me posting watt/kilo of A, and strong B racers. The guy who got first weighs 106kg on strava but 45kg and only 411 on zwift. It is obviously a stupid thing ( weight doping) and why a rider would do this is beyond me but pride and quasi Strava bragging or Zwift Power bragging is a thing. We are both lighter riders and find the w/kg categorisation system frustrating (unfair even) but its what we have at the moment I think most people feel like they have a right to be competitive but this simply is not the case and ifRead more . Are you efficient, or just heavy? Dont worry about your weight fluctuating through the week and remember you gain 0.5kg by drinking a half-litre bidon and lose it again through sweat (and by going to the toilet). Id say physics does! The 33-pound Hub is 14 pounds lighter than the 47-pound Wahoo Kickr, even though the two trainers are almost exactly the same size. Yes, we need to be categorized by our race ranking, not power. You weigh 80kg and have an FTP of 248 watts, which works out to 3.1 w/kg. There is no reason I should be gettingRead more , Sounds like its time to start racing the Bs, @guest_35522! its only cheating myself, instead I would prefer to spend that 2 painful hours doing something honestly and feel proud of it than zooming through it in sub 60m and not reap the same benefits (or in my case, pain). Not sure why its hard for you to believe that there are a lot of riders under 70kgs. Response to our post as well as Zwifts own post in their forum were resoundingly negative from members of the Zwift racing community. heavy riders have an advantage on flat courses.. https://zwiftinsider.com/wkg-tests/ plus 60-70kg is perferctly normal body weight for adult cyclists, nothing worth complaining about. Cheapest Zwift setup: Everything to help you onto Zwift for the first time How big of a problem is reverse weight doping? Email zwiftpower@zwift.com if you want to reset everything. Tie that together with not letting people race in a lower (but letting them race in a higher) cat, and youll have fixed a number of the issues.
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