Some of them are becoming social halls instead of true worship centers. He witnessed the same authoritarian approach. To know is to be responsible. Truly horrifying. The number of articles in the multi-part series exceeds the number of free articles non-subscribers are permitted to read each month. And while we only memorized verses in the King James Version and lots of them and used the KJV in Sunday services, we were also allowed and even encouraged to read the NIV and other more accessible translations. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. It is a Bible Baptist church. KJV-onlyism is certainly not a core doctrine of the Christian faith for any Christian who doesnt speak English. Her community turned on her, even though she was defending their health; most of the people in the community worked at local chemical plants, and they feared that the pharmacists allegations would cost them their jobs. Don't hold it against me. Sometimes alternatives have to be sought. It could be the case that Bishop Andonios is lying here. You trusted. (1) Some congregations have dominating pastors with unchecked authority. Thou shalt not work a job as a woman even if thou canst afford the private school and live in a shitty house because your husband spends all his after tax money on the private school and tithing. And lets not forget the old For him that knoweth to do good and doeth it not, to him it is sin catch-all At my IFB church that I grew up in I loved how they used to use that one to justify saying anything they didnt agree with or like was a SIN . You were right; they were wrong; and no sane person in the world would say otherwise. BTW, I went to Carolina Baptist College, Reidsville, NC, (Reidsville Baptist Church, Pastor Jerry Carter,) 1998-2002. What does the description of an "Independent Fundamental Baptist" Church mean? In America, a former member of the Church of England, Roger Williams, separated from officials in the Massachusetts Bay Colony over his belief about church functions. I am far from perfect. Especially about another member of the church, said Josh Elliott, a former member of Vineyards Oklahoma City church. 3.) This guide to "consistently rewarding every transgression with a switching" (from the book's introduction) has sold more than 670,000 copies. Become a member and enjoy the very best from The American Conservative in print & digital. He may not be able to sleep, but he can be trained to lie there quietly. Aug 10, 2008. Much of what we think of as the religious right would fall into that murky space in between old-school fundamentalism and the mainstream evangelicalism of Billy Graham et. Pray tell, Kathy, what are you going to tell me about the Bible that I dont already know? Part 3: All . Thou wilt pledge money on the last Sunday evening of every month to the building fund even if you cant pay your rent or mortgage on the first. The label can be used by a range of autonomous, Bible-believing Baptists (fundamentalbeing a reference to the core doctrines of the Christian faith). Careers Workplace and Religion Columnists, Recreation Outdoors and Religion Columnists, Religious Music and Entertainment Columnists, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, special report on sexual abuse and cover-ups in independent fundamental Baptist churches across the country, Hundreds Accuse Independent Baptist Pastors of Abuse, Hundreds of Sex Abuse Allegations Found in Fundamentalist BaptistChurches, Slavery and 'how to interpret the Bible' (cont'd.). Okay I'd like to say I am a fundamental Baptist and I am attending a local Baptist church, yes that's the name of this site. They used you as fodder in the war between themselves and everything they fear. 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Dont Dress Like a Whore if You Dont Want to Get Sexually Assaulted Says Lori Alexander, Thou shalt obey all adults at all times if you are a child or teenager, Thou shalt obey your husband at all times if you are a woman, Thou shalt obey your parents at all times, Thou shalt obey the police and government unless the pastor says it is a sin against God to do so, Thou shalt give a faith promise missionary offering, Thou give an offering any time the pastor says God is saying to collect a special offering, Thou shalt attend church every time the doors are open, Thou shalt pray for every meal, but ice cream at Dairy Queen after church requires no prayer, Thou shalt only use the King James Bible 1611 edition which is really the 1769 revision, Thou shalt only use the Scofield King James Bible, Thou shalt not have long hair (over your ears, collar) if you are a man, Thou shalt not have a block cut hairstyle if you are a man, Thou shalt not have facial hair if you are a man, but if you are a woman you can have facial hair, Thou shalt not have tattoos unless you have prison tats from your life before Christ, Thou shalt not take the hem out of your Levi jeans or alter your clothing in any way so that you look worldly, Thou shalt not wear pants (britches) if you are a woman, Thou shalt not wear shorts, but a woman can wear Baptist shorts also known as culottes, Thou shalt not expose any flesh if you are a woman, especially your thighs, breasts, or back, Thou shalt only wear dresses with hemlines below the knees if you are a woman, Thou shalt not have any physical contact with the opposite sex if you are unmarried, Thou shalt not have more than one hole in each ear if you are a woman, Thou shalt not pierce any body part except your ear, and then only if you are a woman, Thou shalt not watch TV, but if you are a carnal Christian and must watch TV thou shalt only watch, Thou shalt not go to the movie theater, but using streaming services is okay, Thou shalt always have tracts in your shirt pocket or purse, ready to evangelize at a moments notice, Thou shalt drive a car with church advertising stickers, IFB cliches, or Bible verses attached to the bumper, Thou shalt park down the street when visiting the local strip club or whore house lest the pastor know you are there and stay away, Thou shalt not listen to secular music, especially rock music, which is from the pit of hell, Thou shalt not listen to contemporary Christian music (CCM), Thou shalt not drink fermented alcohol after all, Jesus drank Welchs grape juice, Thou shalt not cuss, but saying darn, shoot, crap, freaking, and fudge are okay, Thou shalt not date non-Independent Baptist girls or boys, Thou shalt not have any non-Independent Baptist friends, Thou shalt home school your children or send them to a Christian school, Thou shalt only read pastor-approved Christian books, Thou shalt only believe what the pastor says you are to believe, Thou shalt say you have victory over sin, even if you are lying, Thou shalt adhere to the perception is reality rule, Thou shalt send your kids to the same Christian college the pastor went to, Thou shalt leave the church if you commit adultery, get a divorce, or get pregnant outside of marriage, Thou shalt believe everything the pastor says even when you are certain he is lying, speaking evangelistically, or embellishing his illustrations, Thou shalt wear a bra if you are a woman, and it can only be a white, underwire bra, Thou shalt not mix bathe (Baptist for swimming with the opposite sex), Thou shalt not go to amusement parks unless the youth group is going, Thou shalt not show emotion unless praising Jesus from 10:00 am to noon on Sunday or giving a testimony during Sunday evening service, Thou shalt say AMEN during at the appropriate time during the pastors sermon, especially when he shouts, pounds the pulpit, or performs gymnastics, Thou shalt not be angry even though the pastor is allowed to be angry, but thats because his anger is righteous anger, Thou shalt be for what the pastor is for and against what the pastor is against, because if you dont, a bear might come out of the woods and eat you, Thou shalt ignore any science that contradicts the Bible, Thou shalt never try to fix your own problems because the pastor is the official fixer of all problems, Thou shalt takes notes on the sermon even if the rabbit wanders five miles off the trail or the sermon is incoherent, Thou shalt always tell the pastor what a wonderful sermon he preached, even when you have no idea what he was talking about, Thou shalt always tell Sister Bertha what a wonderful job she did with her off-key rendition of, Thou shalt not use canned (taped) music for music specials. This post was published on the now-closed HuffPost Contributor platform. Holly Meyer/AP. They controlled the process except for the final approval. The pharmacists priest even told her and her husband to leave the parish, because their presence was causing too much discomfort there. Hyles flight to safety has become a well-worn path for ministers in the independent fundamental Baptist movement. And not to tell anyone. This teaching about the modern day Pastor as it is today is unscriptural, and that's how this legalism got started in the Independent Baptist movement ( HEAR ME OUT). You have left them now to themselves, and stepped into your own world. We could literally sit here all day adding standards to this; these guys are constantly changing on a whim. Beside the fact that you were likely born into IFB and so never chose to believe anything about it one way or another, your allegiance to IFB means nothing more than that you love. For decades, women and children have faced rampant sexual abuse while worshiping at independent fundamental Baptist churches around the country. Ug, stupid auto correct. Although I did finally deconvert I resent the years I lost trying to live under these ridiculous guidelines. You loved when you had no more love to give. It is sinful for a woman to dress in any way that might cause a man to spiritually stumble by having even the slightest lustful thought. In any case, we are definitely living in the end times before the 2nd coming of Christ. I cant for the life of me understand why, disgruntled as you are, you would go out of your way to take a personal hand in someones trip to eternal punishment. Every abortion, without exception, is murder. The Official Independent Baptist Rulebook, Known in Some Churches as Church Standards Thou shalt obey the pastor at all times Thou shalt obey all adults at all times if you are a child or teenager Thou shalt obey your husband at all times if you are a woman Thou shalt obey your parents at all times Your comments are welcome and appreciated. He is his own man and refuses to be tied down or corralled by anything. Im saved now, right? And because of your trusting love for them, you let them. Landmarkism began as a movement in the mid-1800's mainly in the Southern Baptist Convention. Praise god amen we were unharmed.except for being fucked mentally for years. If she doesnt approve of this, tough; she shouldve thought of that before she married you. I pastored Evangelical churches IFB, Southern Baptist, Christian Union, Sovereign Grace, and non-denominational for 25 years. Good day, sir. Part of HuffPost Religion. Finally, now, it's time for you to dance to your own song. sigh Do you realize how offensive your words are to unbelievers; people who struggled and agonized over leaving Christianity? Why? Perhaps the most well-known Independent Fundamentalist Baptists today are the Duggars, the quiverfull family made famous by the reality show19 Kids and Counting. Their page says "Our church is a friendly fundamental Bible-believing Independent Baptist . Bruce left the ministry in 2005, and in 2008 he left Christianity. This letter is in downloadable as a PDF here. There are a lot more where these came from, lmao . Thou shalt leave tracts in various and sundry places: the aisles of Walmart, in library books, at the doctors office, so that all may know the Good News of the Gospel. They are going out of their way to send a few to heaven, while you are going out of your way to send a few more to hell. READ THE REST OF THE SERIES: Part 1: Southern Baptist sexual abuse spreads as leaders reject reforms. So I messaged and they do baptisms. In response to an explosive investigation, top Southern Baptists have released a previously secret list of hundreds of pastors and other church-affiliated personnel accused of . The fundamentals first, then warp the bible to fit the fundamentals, and all gods people said.amen. The Bible has plenty in it of rules, and I doubt someone who believes in a burning hell forever can really get a supposed love message across. All of it so true and I laughed out loud at some of them!!! Jesus gives his own list in the Sermon on the Mount and Matthew 24/25. (3) Megachurch leaders face the ordinary temptations but also extraordinary pressure to cover up problems, knowing that a sniff of scandal will summon packs of critical reporters. Thou shalt leave a tract in the restroom after thou hast used it. It's chief spokesman was J.R. Graves (1820-1893) and other key early figures include A.C. Dayton (1813-1865) and J.M. They kept what worked for them. My mom grew up with this rule but never was told why. You love passionately, deeply and inexorably. Think, learn, and dont be a judgmental asshole. The submissiveness of women to their husbands can be found here which is not only present in churches, this is a cultural phenomenon which also impacts the faith. * This paywall nonsense is unnecessary, counter-productive, and really disrespectful of the papers investigative team. 6.) This list sounds alot like the Mennonite Church rule book. The one thing I do want to say for anyone just making their way out of the darkness of Independent Fundamental Baptists is this: that you once so thoroughly bought into IFB is a sign of your strength, not your weakness. Stuart Hardy was a youth and music pastor at an independent fundamental Baptist church in Michigan. You served them that way. They might as well be Mormons.Sense they add their own rules and Bible.They are acting as a cult its not biblical.Gal1:8 They are teaching false teachings,And not the doctrines of the Bible.They are Just adding their own rules. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist network, most prominently associated with anti-LGBTQ pastor Steven Anderson, appears to be in turmoil as infighting again erupts, this time between Anderson and fellow pastors in the network. I am certain you are far more intelligent a man than I am, so I do not wish to debate you. To members of the Facebook groups mentioned above: Our characters are forged in the crucible of what we survive. The pastor, Jack Trieber, dressed in a yellow tie and matching pocket square, reached into his pocket to put on his glasses before reading a statement that allegations of inappropriate conduct had been made against Giovanelli. If you spend any time covering sexual abuse story, any belief that congregations are never complicit in abuse and cover-up goes evaporates quickly. Memo to Kathy: fuck off. The biggest difference would be in the way they practice separation. His manner of teaching is rough and salted with racist comments about Black folks. Shellnut also draws on Messiah College historian John Feas description of these independent fundamentalist Baptists, so lets turn to that. Those who opposed the Great Whore of Revelation before the rise of the Reformers were again you guessed it; BAPTIST CHRISTIANS who came before the Protestant Christians ever came to existence and I am proud of my Baptist heritage. If he continues to show defiance by jerking around and defending himself, or by expressing anger, then she will wait a moment and again lecture him and again spank him. Answer (1 of 2): The Fundamental Baptists that my Family and myself have been around varied wildly; some were more strict than others, while some were more lax with the rules they imposed on themselves and others. The Pew Forum on Religious and Public Life puts IFB members at 2.5 percent of Americans. The church I grew up in dwelt somewhere in that space. Could someone please explain? The study of literature no longer animates students' minds and souls. The network of churches and schools has often covered up the crimes and helped relocate the offenders, an eight-month Star-Telegram investigation has found. Its a philosophy its flawed, said Stacey Shiflett, an independent fundamental Baptist pastor in Dundalk, Maryland. It wasnt long before I traveled the road to liberal Christian to agnostic atheist. Pastor Stacey Shiflett finally had enough: For Shiflett, the issue was personal. This list also sounds similar to what Adventists practiced. Today, the independents are separating, even among themselves, over issues such as Bible translations, music style, and dress. Apr 26, 2017. Or their kids just went to Rutgers, but with the assurance that they would be faithful members of a Campus Crusade chapter there. You loved them in that (and a million other) ways. You did what you were supposed to do: you sacrificed yourself. Many say baptism is required for salvation and I have been pushed to do so. Spending TOO MUCH time with conspiracy theories than fundamental Bible preaching. Thou shalt be baptized by full immersion in this particular denomination of church, preferably this specific church, otherwise it might have been a false baptism that didnt take. The church was established in 1975 with a small band of seventy-five people. Meant to be taken literally, the KJV is inspired, inerrant, infallible, and the supreme and final authority in all things. The modern fundie bible is full of contradictions and lies. I vaguely recognize some of the standards that you mentioned, but not to the extreme that you have described them. Hundreds of Sex Abuse Allegations Found in Fundamentalist BaptistChurches, Fea wrote, following the Star-Telegrams report. Excerpt: Stories like that display a Roman Catholic problem, right? The Independent Baptist Fellowship is the end-product of the legacy journey that started some 60 years ago. You have found True Christianity. Its pastor is divinely appointed and accountable to no earthly authority. Here has been a few problems that caused divisions in the body of Christ thanks to some Independent Fundamental Baptists: 1.) Now, gentlemen we have a problem in the Independent Baptist movement. She then administers [to a three-year-old] about ten slow, patient licks on his bare legs. This is 100% the independent Baptist school I attended. Grace alone. It used to be that independent Baptists separated themselves from other Christians over important doctrines, such as the virgin birth of Christ or the inspiration of the Scriptures. . He and his wife have six grown children and thirteen grandchildren. Trieber did not respond to interview requests. Even my Southern Baptist Church wasnt this strict! But they also have a high regard for the Bible. How I struggled to free myself from this oppressive thinking. Like the millions of others around the country who need to read these stories, they wont be able to unless they subscribe to a newspaper hundreds of miles from where they live. However, many of these churches have affiliations through theological colleges or pastoral friendships. Oh my. Get your act together, Star-Telegram senior staff. I remember thinking what an idiot he was. He is supported by the pastor, Greg Neal, and his Twitter feed shows him traveling around the country, welcomed at churches. I got a good laugh reading the list brought back some not so good memories from my time in a IFB church. Jessop is a former member of the FLDS (fundamentalist, polygamist Mormons) and her story has a lot of parallels with Zichterman's. I haven't read this particular FLDS memoir . Its not a good thing.. Golden State Baptist College - Is a ministry of North Valley Baptist Church of Santa Clara, California. So hard to tell if it is a cult. No other part of the anatomy (e.g. I sometimes post on another board and (hopefully its ok) I would like to link a thread that is going on over there. But what of the grouch who would rather complain than sleep? Yelling, storytelling, and moralism replaced proclaiming simply what God has said. I was recently asked to write a few words of support and love for the members of two Facebook groups, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Cult Survivors and Do Right Hyles-Anderson. She gave me a five-minute counseling session and told me she would have to tell Pastor Schaap and the nurse, inform the doctor. The problem was that the faculty was in charge of hiring new faculty. Women need not apply and should not study martial arts. Bruce Gerencser, 65, lives in rural Northwest Ohio with his wife of 44 years. More than 200 people current or former church members, across generations shared their stories of rape, assault, humiliation and fear in churches where male leadership cannot be questioned. This means that there are approximately 7.85 million IFBs in America today. If the crying turns to a true, wounded, submissive whimper, you have conquered; he has submitted his will. This is especially important, since the pastor needs his bodyguard detail rotated every so often. First Baptist Church of Glenarden 4.5. SPECIAL: Prayer Changes Your Brain in 4 Amazing Ways 1. Mullins knew that he had faculty problems, Sampey did, Fuller did, McCall did . The network of churches and schools has often covered up the crimes and helped relocate the offenders, an eight-month Star-Telegram investigation has found. 4.) Jack Hyles preached at our Christian school (1978) and Proclaimed that it was a sin for a boy to wear anything but white underwear, and also a sin if a boy didnt have his hair buzz cut on the back ! Never put him down and then allow him to get up. I remember one of the missionary wives who was married to the man who used to be a division leader in the bus ministry at hac and fbc and I always thought she looked and dressed so incredibly homely, almost as if she walked straight out of Little House on the Prairie set. We were informed that the parishioners felt so strongly that they would protest in front of the Archdiocese for the return of their priest, he said. While practices can vary from church to church, independent fundamental Baptists do share some core beliefs, according to Christianity Today: that the Bible is the divinely inspired and inerrant word of God, for example, and that people should use only the King James Version of the text.Independent fundamental Baptists refrain from engaging in pop culture and many also home-school their kids. And what can possibly be more worthy of a person's love than God and family? The New IFB is an attempt to revive the former glory and orthodoxy of the Independent Fundamental Baptists, a movement that arose in the mid-20 th century in reaction to fears that mainstream. He and his wife have six grown children and thirteen grandchildren. 5.) Amendment though shalt say amen during service but only if you are male. Of course not. Here are some quotes from the book: Wake up to the day's most important news. This is an independent fundamental Baptist program that has chapters in churches all across the country. Next time? It's not just Baptist Churches; most organize denominations are in one way or another legalistic. You know that I am Independent. although it is rushed and depends on the persons' response. In New York, a couple of Greek Orthodox nuns are protesting the reinstatement of a priest to a parish there after he admitted to unspecified inappropriate conduct with women, and a diocesan spiritual court recommended that he not be returned to that parish. I started listening to country music, drinking beer, watching movies, and eventually joined the military. Most of those victims dont live in Fort Worth. concerned about creeping liberalism in that association, it opted to go it alone. Questions About Independent Fundamental Baptists, Leighton Flowers, & Justin Peters Right Response Ministries 36K subscribers Subscribe 10K views 1 month ago GEORGETOWN Can you name one thing. This is the Christianity of millions of North Americans. A few members of that church were hard-core, old-school fundies. Twenty-one abuse allegations were uncovered exclusively by the Star-Telegram, and others were documented in criminal cases, lawsuits and news reports. My question is: Are you judging all IFB pastors and deacons by the standards you kept for yourself in the pulpit for forty-five years? That space between he describes as the world of Jerry Falwell has grown over the years.
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