Palermo was flying a Cessna 182 like one he owned, still parked at a local hangar. Thrown blade and resulting immediate out of balance could have ripped an engine mount, canted the engine in some way creating horrendous aerodynamics and an unrecoverable dive? whatever you told him to study, he studied it. I forgot to mention that the model Spacewalker with the three-blade prop would immediately recover and glide normally if I shut the engine off, too. Both men were well known in Southwest Louisiana and had touched the lives of many. Pallbearers are Todd Ammons, Kirk Clements, Bob Harp, Joseph Pousson, Kevin Robbins, and Henry Riquelmy. Googled the N number to find the NTSB report and ended up here, Ive never seen this site before, Ive never commented here, So I appologise if my comment is not welcome. Youll never convince me other than it was a catastrophic failure of the aircraft because Rock knew exactly what to do, said Thompson. Flight instructors consider Palermo a friend, mentor and best pilot they ever met. We appreciate everyone's prayers Clements was a financial planner with Global Asset Management. The Global Asset Management Group family is saddened by the loss of our dearest friend and colleague, Don Clements. The plane impacted soft, muddy ground near Hackberry, causing a crater that extended 15 feet deep and covering the majority of the plane. The plane would stall and fall without any elevator input at all. he always worked hard. It reached an altitude of only 200 feet before exploding and plunging into the ocean. The men say Palermo brought them on board the CPSO Aviation Division and add, they will miss him tremendously. He should be smart enough to simply ask someone else to report the find to the FSDO if his ongoing vendetta complicates doing so on his own. It would be interesting to see the state of the elevator trim. HACKBERRY, La. Another partial owner of the plane told investigators that the pilot had just bought a share of the aircraft and was accumulating flight hours to get rated for complex and high-performance planes, according to the report. On Feb. 2, 2021, an aircraft went down, killing both men on board, Rock Palermo and Don Clements. CNN Five people who worked for an environmental response consulting firm were killed in a plane crash Wednesday in Little Rock, Arkansas, while on their way to a metal factory explosion site. Other questions:subscriberservices@theadvocate.com. His 25 pound mass half scale model Spacewalker is just six percent of half the mass of the 800 lb full scale Spacewalker. Two witnesses told investigators that the plane plunged nose-down, without any rotation. It would seem the elevator itself could be jammed instead. I suggested this in comments a couple of other places, and every time I've gotten ripped on about how wrong I was, and I probably am wrong, but I had a gut feeling about this when I first heard of it, two guys in a modern regular nothing special airplane doing minor training, returning to the airport, aircraft was 4,000 AGL then inexplicably nosedives into the ground, severe clear visibility calm winds, no obvious weather or mechanical reason for the crash. But a 182Q isn't a 737Max.. couldn't the pilot overcome a stuck trim with elevator input? There was a problem saving your notification. Visitation services will be held on Friday, February 5, 2021, between 4 p.m. and 8 p.m. with a Scripture Service to be held at 6:30 p.m. at Trinity Baptist Church, 1800 Country Club Rd., Lake Charles. Both Thompson and Alex Kerbow were trained by Palermo to be commercial pilots and flight instructors. If they weren't stuck with tunnel vision grip on full aft yoke, they could have pushed forward and added power to get the tail plane flying again and regained control. NEW ORLEANS The pilot who died in a Feb. 2 plane crash in Louisiana had just bought a share in the aircraft, and the other man killed in the crash was his instructor, the National. I hope the the NTSB will be able to determine a cause other than undetermined loss of control. @ http://kirtlandflightcenter.org/wp-content/uploads/C182-POH.pdf notes that "Prompt lowering of the nose to maintain airspeed and establish a glide attitude is the first response to an engine failure" and a Figure indicating at a 'speed 70 kias, prop windmilling, flaps up, zero wind" the ideal glide distance from 4,000 AGL to ground is 6 miles." There was not immediate information about arrangements. Authorities first got a call around 5:47 p.m. Tuesday of a plane flying low, then disappearing, Johnsons said. A high-speed, vertical power dive could overspeed the prop, possibly causing something to let go. Rock Palermo and Don Clements were killed in the crash, Johnson said. The Veron Bice family is saddened by the loss of our founding partner, Rock Palermo. It seems odd it's damn near nose down like that unless it was human input which, would hate to think that. Louisianaauthoritieshad identified the pilot earlier as Richard Don Clements and his instructor as Rock Palermo. NEW ORLEANS (AP) The pilot who died in a Feb. 2 plane crash in Louisiana had just bought a share in the aircraft, and the other man killed in the crash was his instructor, the National Transportation Safety Board reported Thursday. NTSB, do your job. My sincere condolences to the families. As noted earlier, The airplane reached about 4,500 ft above ground level (agl), as the airspeed decreased.and "recorded ADS-B data distance From: 4,325 feet @ 29.9898 -93.3416 To: Wreckage and Impact Information Latitude, Longitude: 30.009412,-93.330048 (est) has a Calculated Distance Straight line distance of only 1.28 miles"Apparent mechanical failure, or failure in the cabin.. "The crankshaft sheared aft of the propeller flange. No preliminary cause has been given yet, on the deadly plane crash that took the lives of Palermo and Clements. He was a member of the Civil Air Patrol, the United States Air Force Auxiliary, and held the rank of Colonel. or a practice incipient spin, that got the spin stopped , but the nose did not come up, due to forward c of g? I propose that they had been doing training for an hour or so in a practice area, were returning to the airport traveling in a straight line for many miles, when they got within eyesight of the airport and were thinking the fun was almost over, for whatever reason, they attempted a slow roll to the left, they had forward CG (close to, at, or beyond limits is not known, but probably somewhere forward), so when they went over the top and were inverted, the nose started to fall to the ground. Palermo was a local attorney at Veron, Bice, Palermo & Wilson and was a pilot with the Calcasieu Parish Sheriffs Office. At least 68 people were killed Sunday when an aircraft went down near the city of Pokhara in central Nepal, a government official said, the country's deadliest plane crash in more than 30 years. You have permission to edit this article. Youtube guy Dan Gryder claims to have found the third blade at the crash site. 0:00. HACKBERRY, La. Bold criminal secretly relaunched massage parlor prostitution ring as he cut a deal with prosecutors. Rock Palermo and Don Clements were killed in the crash, Johnson said. The demonizing of the NTSB over not traveling to this accident included the untruthful claim "I found the missing blade". The engine sustained significant impact damage and was saturated with mud. HACKBERRY, La. Copyright 2021 Scripps Media, Inc. All rights reserved. There was a small plane crash near Hackberry, LA on Tuesday, February 2, 2021. The airplane had high sink rate with a relatively flat attitude (nose close to the horizon). @Trimble - No CFI would roll or allow his student to roll a 182.Your first paragraph seems to be describing a loop, not a roll. This proposed AD was prompted by a report of cracks found in the tailcone and horizontal stabilizer attachment structure. He stated that the private pilot completed the flight maneuvers well and he did not notice anything of concern. Nose down attitude would be even more likely that the pilots were fixated on full aft elevator. The reason for its quick descent, the NTSB said, was. They will update with funeral arrangements and honors at a future date. All rights reserved. Clemente's plane was allegedly "unfit" to fly. At the time of his death, Don was a partner in the Global Asset Management Group (Raymond James) in Lake Charles, LA. (KPLC) - Two bodies have been recovered from the wreckage of a plane that went down near Hackberry Tuesday, Cameron Sheriff Don Johnson said. Sept. 14, 2014 10:37 PM PT. Bold criminal secretly relaunched massage parlor prostitution ring as he cut a Federal, local dollars at work clearing waterways in EBR. Clements, 61, was flying alone from Alberta, Canada, to California on Feb. 22, 2015. Would like to ask for a line of discussion about the lack of a mayday call, which hasn't been previously discussed in this thread. etc. Daniel Dal Zennaro/EPA-EFE/Shutt. This plane in a local hangar belonged to Palermo. In July of 1973, the National Transportation Safety Board ruled that Clemente's DC-7 was 4,200 pounds overweight, and that it had not been flown in over four months. Based solely on the description of the situation, sounds to me like they decided to try to do a slow roll and screwed it up. An obituary for Rock Palermo can be found HERE. Unlikely, but it is a possibility. Probable causes are generally given in final reports, which can take a year or more. (KPLC) - Two bodies have been recovered from the wreckage of a plane that went down near Hackberry Tuesday, Cameron Sheriff Don Johnson said. "It is a great loss for the department and the entire community," officials said at a press conference, "It didn't matter the time of day or night who was in trouble, if it was in another parish and they needed our plane he would jump in and take over.". Rock Palermo and Don Clements were killed in a plane crash near Hackberry, on Tuesday, Feb. 2, 2021. On Wednesday, Calcasieu Parish Sheriff Tony Mancusos voice broke as he told reporters that one victim, Rock Palermo, was the departments pilot, attorney and friend. I missed the nose down attitude observed by witnesses. He served as secretary of the board of the Lake Charles Regional Airport Authority. Cameron Sheriff: Two bodies recovered from plane crash near Hackberry, Shreveport man arrested for allegedly tattooing children, 2 suspects arrested in McCurtain County arson-homicide investigation, Assessing Shreveport damage after the storm, Remembering Devin Myers one year after his death, Laundry mat, gas station damaged after storms. File photo of police lights (iStockPhoto). The weekend Friday AM Forecast: Wind Advisory this morning, clear and sunny this afternoon. When Don wasnt involved in hunting, fishing, and music, he was at home in his beautiful rose garden and vegetable garden, which he nurtured in order to bring fresh roses and vegetables on a regular basis to his beloved wife, Nancy. It is a detailed order of 40+ pages. I'd expect the model to be MUCH more sensitive to 'prop-disc-effects' than the man-carrying versionwhich is not to suggest they don't exist for a full-sized C-182. It seems like something major must have gone wrong here. NTSB should already know if that was evident.Still a head scratcher. If Rock couldnt recover from this, I dont think anyone else could, said Kerbow. No CFI would loop or allow his student to loop a 182.Not surprised that your "gut feeling" was criticized. Something dramatic clearly went wrong here. The fuel selector valve was found positioned to feed from both fuel tanks. The Boeing 737, which had flown from Dubai, skidded off the runway . BATON ROUGE, La. Richard Don Clements, 55, a well-respected financial planner and talented musician, died on Tuesday, February 2, 2021 in an aviation accident. Besides being a talented musician, Don loved to travel, hike, fish and hunt. When the last jumper goes out or you're doing a hammerhead stall in a glider and the aircraft is simply falling out of the sky, pointed straight down at the ground, you get comfortable waiting for the wing to start flying before easing back on the elevator. Providence Sacred Heart Medical Center confirmed that 61-year-old Michael Clements died Tuesday. This is certainly one of the most mysterious 182 crashes in recent history. There is a long standing agreement between the NTSB and the FAA that the NTSB, because of being short-staffed, has the official authority and do relegate most general aviation accidents solely to the FAA. The bodies were identified as Rock Palermo and Richard Don Clements, Mancuso said in a news conference. Answer: He didn't find it. There is an FAA order (8020-11D) that outlines the entire concept of the hand-off of certain accident investigations. Beefier police presence planned at football game after BRPD chief got into scuffle while making arrest near campus. I even asked at one point, Rock, would you like to take controls of the airplane? He said, No, youre doing a good job. Rocks friends numbered in the thousands, and the family wishes it could acknowledge everyone who impacted Rocks life. HACKBERRY, La. If so, the wreckage would bear witness to that once the mud is removed. The plane, a single-engine Cessna 182, crashed on a small island between Hackberry and Big Lake, LA. Other questions:subscriberservices@theadvocate.com. Sheriff Ron Johnson told KPLC that the plane crashed on a small island between Hackberry and Big Lake, near Pete Seay Circle. He may have not been able to retrieve it. I'm left wondering what lessons can I take away from this one to keep it from happening to me when I fly? Controls were likely held full aft all the way to impact. That person told investigators he was in the back seat during a training flight on Feb. 1, and the man had done well on flight maneuvers. 1 LSU's big win over Butler. Two bodies were recovered from the wreckage. Palermo was an instructor on the flight and Clements was a student. This is the perfect weekend to get outdoors! Throwing a blade as they throttled back up would do it. The Tigers beat out No. This one is just tough.". NORTH PLATTE, Neb. He was an FAA licensed Airline Transport Pilot with airplane, jet and helicopter ratings. All rights reserved. According to the How do I know if I have a cold, the flu or COVID-19? The engine was unable to rotate through due to the impact damage. As expected, he didn't find it, just a lie told for clicks. Don Clement's will be having a visitation from 12 p.m. to 3 p.m. on Saturday . The Untold Story of Roberto Clemente's Plane Crash Litigation by John Racanelli January 7, 2014 The Fatal Crash Roberto Clemente was both a remarkable ballplayer and genuine folk hero. According to the airplane broker, on the day of the accident the private pilot called to report that he had just completed a 1-hour flight in the accident airplane to satisfy the insurance policy requirements. The Veron Bice family is saddened by the loss of our founding partner, Rock Palermo. Think about the circumstances that would fit with acceptance of not finding the missing blade.Examination of the recovered prop hub must have clearly indicated that the blade was thrown during flight, not broken out during impact. One of his proudest moments was in 2016 when he presented his daughter, Mary Kathryn as the Princess Music of Lincoln Center. NEW ORLEANS The pilot who died in a Feb. 2 plane crash in Louisiana had just bought a share in the aircraft, and the other man killed in the crash was his instructor, the National Transportation Safety Board reported Thursday. Speaking with Cameron Sheriff Don Johnson, KPLC reports that Johnson said the bodies are believed to be Rock Palermo and Richard Don Clements. These are the ones that really concern me. We appreciate everyone's prayers Clements was a financial planner with Global Asset Management. They introduced their family to the joys of diving. Authorities first got a call around 5:47 p.m. Tuesday of a plane flying low, then disappearing, Johnsons said. The Cessna 182Q then departed again at 5:13 p.m. and crashed 31 minutes later at 5:44 p.m. He was preceded in death by his father, Joseph R. Palermo, Jr. Rock delighted in all things involving his family. Smoke in the cockpit that turned into a wiring fire behind the panel is a possibility not yet mentioned that might fit the circumstances. Flight instructor, student pilot identified as victims in fatal plane crash near Hackberry. Nothing in the report suggests "airplane attitude was flat with nose close to the horizon. Wind Advisory in effect for the entire WBRZ Thursday PM Forecast: overnight showers, storms and gusty wind. The impact crater is 15 feet deep and wings were crushed aft to the rear wing spar.Can't crush wings rearward like that or crater that deep coming in level. Im still waiting on the full report from N8991W. The bodies are believed to be. CG was okay. Two of the propeller blades remained attached to the propeller hub and one blade was not recovered. It seems me that sometimes, even with all the best preparations, bad luck can find a good pilot. Palermo was an instructor on the flight and Clements was a student. yeah these are the crashes that really bother me --the unknown cause ones .That's when I consider --should I really be flying planes ? lol) to give me the answer. quote: Was a 1979 Cessna 182 N4765N. They consider him a mentor and the best pilot they knew. Palermo was an attorney for the Calcasieu Parish Sheriff's Office, they said. Wednesday afternoon, a procession was held as Palermo was brought to a Jennings funeral home, click here for more. Don is survived by his wife, Nancy Edith Shaddock Clements, and their two children, Mary Kathryn Clements and William Don Clements. In fact, during his training with Palermo, Kerbow says there was an emergency. It may have required tools to get it out of the ground. An avid SCUBA diver and instructor, Rock first met Kim while teaching her SCUBA diving class. It's their job to travel to accident sites to determine the cause. Would have been found if present at the impact site. The Veron Bice family is saddened by the loss of our founding partner, Rock Palermo. The plane crashed near an industrial area a few miles to the south of the Little Rock airport. He and the department announced the death of Rock Palermo who was employed by the sheriff's office. Two bodies were removed from the plane that crashed Tuesday evening on a small island near Hackberry, Cameron Parish Sheriff Ron Johnson told news agencies. i could tell him to study something, hed come in and hed know more about it than me, he said. The report did say that one of the propeller blades was not recovered. BATON ROUGE, La. The data showed that the airplane maneuvered near the coast then proceeded north as the altitude and airspeed increased. JohnsontoldKPLC-TV that the second occupant, Richard Don Clements, was believed to be a student of Palermos. So airspeed likely high and elevator authority should have been present. The FAA is proposing this AD to address the unsafe condition on these products.DATES:The FAA must receive comments on this proposed AD by June 29, 2020. Port Allen Pelicans basketball team soaring toward fourth-straight state title, Sample duo leading Scotlandville into playoffs, For help accessing the WBRZ-TV Public File, contact: Joey Verrett at, LSU gymnastics club meet brings tourists to downtown Baton Rouge. Palermo was an instructor on the flight and Clements was a student. Another partial owner of the plane told investigators that the pilot had just bought a share of the aircraft and was accumulating flight hours to get rated for complex and high-performance planes, according to the report. 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