I was pretty sad when I left Govan and leaving my family was devastating to me. She had 3 boys Alex, Willie and Robert. He said: "I found myself in charge of one of the hardest areas within Strathclyde, if not Scotland. Someone took me to the Orkney Street Police Station. The Moorepark area is served by Ibrox subway station on the Glasgow Subway system,[15] which is located on the corner of Copland Road and Woodville Street. Moreover, there will be no demolition or destruction of any part of Govans heritage on the contrary the important Iron Age site of Doomster Hill will be marked with grass, and not encroached upon by the new housing while a special corridor will link it with Govan Old Parish Church, which is one of the earliest Christian sites in Britain. Many of the men worked at the shipyards or the preserves factory. or. Only a few years into it, faults like dampness had begun to appear in the tower blocks of the Laurieston/ Gorbals project, which rapidly turned into a disaster area. The church of Govan was a prebend of Glasgow. They were both always on a mission to land a. Recent studies of the archaeology of Govan Old have revealed the presence of an ancient Christian church. 14 Riverside Changes, 2005, p. 1 The first was an experimental improvement programme, which had the initiatives: the partial modernisation of the houses, the re-planning of the external environment, and the construction of a Tenants Hall. If I could I would have bought many! Members of our family have now moved away to other locations in Glasgow and Paisley, but we still remember our childhoods growing up in Govan. We stayed in Elphinstone Street but after a fire we had to move to my grans house at 62 Golspie Street at the corner of Langlands Road, it was known as McCormick's close he being the owner of a hardware store. Moorepark is a small area in the Scottish city of Glasgow. It was just before I packed in this job that I met Sean Damer when he came to our house to some of the family in 1974. Used to spend all summer there paying in twice, having to queue up for second swim with towel around yourself sometimes freezing and having to wait in line. I remember at one time there were thirteen of us staying in the house including the lassie across the street who came to stay for a night and more or less remained there for about five years. 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[3][4], A majority of the new residents were from the Gorbals, instead of the Govan area, which had pressing issues with overcrowding and poor quality tenements. The wines were delicious but unfortunately out of my price range. So, has Glasgow and other cities always been in the hands of comprehensive planners who take an overview of all the parties involved? Within it and its roughly circular churchyard is one of the finest collections of Early Christian stones in the United Kingdom, known as the Govan Stones, dating from the c.9th to 11th centuries. Resources were stretched as detectives dealt with high levels of violence including murder - much of it drug related. Smith did know Glasgow well, but Edinburgh (where he later worked as Secretary to the University) was gloriously exotic. Media/news company. Dry Docks Cafe. Somewhere along the Govan Road, there was a sweet shop with a train set that would go around all the big jars of sweets. Reply. NGR NS 55416 65081. A friend called called Alison Galbraith. Reading the posts recognised a few names. For those who did move in, it was not a matter of them wanting to live in the area, it was more a case of people with little or no choice about where they could stay. Encouraging families to participate in the community and to use local facilities and services Ensuring that the voice of those living in poverty is heard . The following year, Fairfields and the other major Clydeside yards (Stephens, Connels, Yarrows and John Browns) were merged to form Upper Clyde Shipbuilders (UCS). I try and tell my grandkids what a fanfastic place it was to grow up, no money but lots of pals and never bored. Moorepark is a small area in the Scottish city of Glasgow. My grandparents on my mother's side were McElhinneys and attended Plantation Church while my dad's side and myself attending our Lady and St Margaret's Chapel. Community planning began in the rapidly industrialising 19th century cities of Great Britain and America where reformers and well-wishers wanted to ameliorate the appalling living conditions of the working classes. I went to Broomloan Rd nursery then the school. Just answering Margaret Fletcher's post below. Our father would be home right before we had to leave for school, so he would take us as it was not safe to cross Langlands Rd., Unfortunately, the week before Christmas in 1943, our grandfather was killed by a bus right at the Vogue cinema. If there is anyone out there that remembers me please contact me :). Today the area is policed from bright new shiny offices opposite Bellahouston Park on Helen Street. It may have been used to contain the body or relics of St. Constantine, a Pictish king killed seemingly killed by Vikings in 876/7 - the style of carving indicates an origin in the late 9th or early 10th century. My family lived at 100 Harmony Row, Govan until I was 10 (born 1953), I lived there with my father Guido Gonnella, my mom Susan, brother William and sisters Helen Marie and Susan also lived with us. I was born in Govan in 1942 and lived in Elder Stree before moving to 15 Water Row above the bakers James Jack & Sons, my father worked there for 56 years. A big gang of kids would all go to the pictures on Saturday afternoon and one kid would pay to get in and then would go round to the fire escape door and open it and let the rest of the kids in for free. I went about with Harry Bitters, Nick Shearer and John McLeod in the mad days of the early 70s. Charlotte was a sweet pup who eagerly posed for a pic. I thought you wrote "hides in a fridge and dodges an erection!" . Get into Govan. Directions to Wine Alley Govan (Glasgow) with public transport The following transport lines have routes that pass near Wine Alley Govan Bus : 121 23 26 X19 Train : SCOTRAIL Light rail : SUB How to get to Wine Alley Govan by Bus? We do not pre-moderate or monitor readers comments appearing on our websites, but we do post-moderate in response to complaints we receive or otherwise when a potential problem comes to our attention. We moved to a new house in Mallaig Road which was built on what used to be Millers Farm where I stayed until I got married. Although the scheme had a bad reputation for crime, drinking and violence, as a child I never felt unsafe or deprived in any way and knew only kindness from my family, friends, relatives and neighbours. Two associated Christian burials are radiocarbon dated to the 5th or 6th centuries, making Govan the earliest known Christian site in the region. I personally don't have any memories of Govan although I'm sure I visited family who were living there many years ago in the late sixties. Gallery. Over the years the Wine Alley had been severely neglected by the council and in the 1980s like a lot of places in Britain people were faced with high unemployment, drug abuse and crime, it continued to get worse and the homes were in such a bad state due to continued council neglect and lack of investment that they were demolished by 1995 and the people scattered to the 4 corners of Govan and beyond.http://www.acumfaegovan.com Community Centre & Play-Park in the Wine Alley, Govan. [10][11], The area was associated with Junior football team St Anthony's who had two grounds in the area. There I was, short hair, snotty-nosed from crying and eating an ice cream cone. Another is the horses and carts assembled at Harmony Row. However, the dealers were less careful back in Wine Alley where they thought they were untouchable. I was shown the door and advised to join the cubs, which I did, but I would have enjoyed being the 1st Lifebhoy. For instance; my mother was standing on the banks of the Clyde in 1938, when the Queen Mary was launched. Comments have been closed on this article. Living Dangerously in Govan by James McDonald. A Gannett Company. NGR Description Centred NS55416 65081. He thought that important questions are never asked because mistakes in the finish of the whole are not seen until it is too late. Without a home, mankind has no place. Also, among the plans for Govans hub was a programme to make Govans main shopping area more attractive such as joining Govans Market, Shopping Centre, Underground and bus depot together under the one roof. Daddy Boyd who used to wear his academic gowns on official occasions which I to this day found hard to understand as none of the other teachers ever wore them. I loved Govan how all the woman watched as we played there was always an adult around and if they were not outside you knew exactly where to find them sitting in a house having a cup of tea great great days I wish we had lived in Govan longer than my 5 years but we always had many visits back to see relies and old neighbours. 102m Harley's ice cream parlour . [6] Govan is believed to have then been part of a kingdom ruled from Dumbarton Rock, known as Alt Clut, the rock on the Clyde. . Wine Alley Govan Kids Southern General Hospital On the Clyde Govan Kvaerner/Fairfield Shipyards Govan Shipyards ( Front gate pics ) The Plaza/Vogue Govan Dry Docks Trams in Govan/ Goods Carriers Inside the Lyceum Bingo/Picture Hall Lyceum Projection Room Lyceum Foyer & Balcony Foyer Lyceum Cinema Balcony Inside The Lyceum Govan Baths Harhill Know your enemy. (was it Grant's????? Nu acum. Providing a family base with a family room in Govan, with weekly meetings in Govan and Easterhouse Providing consistent, non-judgmental support to families and individuals, and home visits to families in crisis I too, have fond memories of playing and performing small shows, and we all thought we could act. It brought tears to our eyes as they have destroyed a lot of the buildings that should have been refurbished. Robert sadly passed away when he was 2 and then my dad James was born in 1960. 8 Markus, 1993, p. 163 We lived directly opposite the Steamie and I vividly recall playing ball against the red brick wall for hours. Following decades of decline, with existing residents experiencing prejudice and only those with little other choice willing to move to the area, Moorepark was named by The Independent newspaper in April 1994 as one of the worst areas in the United Kingdom, with drug abuse being a widespread problem and unemployment standing at nearly 30% (up to three times the national average at the time). During my first year studying sociology I came across Damer again in the form of a book that he had written about poverty and deprivation in the Wine Alley but put it to the back of my mind. And increase their/your revenues. I used to go to Jack's Bakers on a Saturday morning for a dozen rolls and half a dozen teabread and I still got change from a half a crown (12.5 pence), happy days! Maureen Doyle was my name then. dealing, drug abuse, and money lending had flourished in a big way since 1975, which only added to the schemes wretchedness. Mother has an excellent memory and I am attempting to write down stories about; the old shops; events streets and everything. Local people were also too scared to speak out for fear of reprisals. Media/news company. Sometimes on a Sunday we would go over to Kelvingrove and (if memory serves me) run around the suits of armour until we were thrown out of the Art Galleries. The local hire firm in Govan wasn't aware that their customer was a drug dealer. Housing Estate (Modern) Site Name Glasgow, Govan, Moorepark Housing Estate. Both my parents went to Greenfield School then Govan High. The Bookies, Archie and Peter Logan ran their Book from the back court. I also remember the candy apple man and rag man, I also remember at the top of Greenfield Street as a wee boy of 8 watching a horse drawn Beatties bread wagon relieving itself, what a flood lots of great memories. From start to finish this series has been amazing roll on book four! Historically it was part of the County of Lanark. As a university sociologist, Verejnoprospen prce. Komunitn organizcia. The partnership works by: I used to go there with my Mum to Woolworths, they had shoe shops and everything you wanted. Yes Danny, Hamilton Street was renamed to Nethan Street between 1931 and 1932. I have lived in Australia since 1969. 'Wine Alley', Govan Pop: 10,875 (whole ward) Problems: Mainly drug-related crime. Non-governmental organisations working in the field such as the Church, charitable organisations, etc., have for a long time advocated Community Planning or management of the urban environment as the best solution to this problem of how to give a better quality of life to many of the citizens of our country. My maternal grandmother Mary Agnes McDermott and her family came to Govan from Ireland in the early 1900's. Years ago Govan was a brilliant shopping place. Darners later thoughts on a solution to the schemes problems were that it could be found in Community Planning for, as he says, members of the underclass are not helpless and passive victims of structural circumstances. I was born and lived in Harmony Row, 1960, before moving to Drumchapel in 1961. There were two other sporting venues for local residents and workers located in the south of Govan (with no space available in the industrial northern area at the Clyde): White City Stadium and Albion Greyhound Stadium, both now entirely demolished. Photos: Splash News. Any profits went into the family home and we knew that we would get in return our Saturday matinee money and a sweety. Run by a tall slim guy whose son was a racing cyclist ? It was fantastic we even had a large grass area to play such a great childhood. I liked Daddy Boyd although I never had him as a teacher, he was in charge of the rowing club of which I enjoyed many an hour on the Clyde. Skater Girl. Related Pages. 'The. Rather than go on strike, which was the traditional form of industrial action, the union leadership of the yards decided to have a work-in and complete the orders that the shipyards had in place. I really like the big Co-op department store and Woolworths on Langlands Road. The Old Govan Fair. Situated south of the River Clyde and part of the former Burgh of Govan, it was colloquially referred to as 'Wine Alley' during the mid-to-late 20th century when a housing scheme with a rough reputation was sited there. I lived with my aunt and uncle (Mary Steven, Mailey) my aunt was a cook in Ibrox. on our backs to the midden motor outside the closes or houses where we worked. I went to St.Constantines Primary School. I remember one time, my big brother hiding in the midden under all the ashes, when I went down three stories to empty the fire ashes. Hi, I'm not from Govan though my grandparents, Janet (Nettie) and David Finlayson owned a newsagents in Neptune Street in the 1940s/1950s. Wine Alley feels very European and I love it! My gran lived upstairs at 12 Water row. My da was George Paterson, mum was Betty Paterson my child hood there was brill everyone was so friendly and you could trust everybody. While debating the (Greenwood) Housing Bill of 1930, the MP John Wheatley insisted that Britain would never get rid of its slum problem as long as it continued to set aside for a particular section of the community an inferior quality of housing The above extract comes from the enquiry that the sociologist Sean Damer wrote on the history of what was regarded as the most notorious slum-housing scheme in the Glasgow of the 1970s, Moorepark, or as it came to be known by Govanites and Glaswegians the Wine Alley of Govan. It meant that the police had two key surveillance points, one in Wine Alley itself and a second from the high-rise. Although Govan was the stated setting for the show, episodes were seldom filmed there. Only neighbours I remember were children Mary and her younger brother James Haggerty who lived in same close which I think was 95 Golspie Street. And Linda Paterson, I knew your dad Geordie Paterson, and I think he had a brother Willie. Reply. We lived directly opposite the Steamie and I vividly recall playing "ball" against the red brick wall for hours. We all loved living there as Govan was such a great place and had everything you needed, especially four cinemas. I'm sure many of these places will have been demolished or renamed but it would be great to hear from anyone who knows of the family or can provide any more details. My cousin Pat and I were just reminiscing about memories of the Steamie - which I think I was dragged along to, to help Mrs. Mary Devlin, in about 1965? Call now (425) 271-4501; Address. For other uses, see. My mother was Frances Leddy and she was born at 57 Hamilton Street in 1926. . It was my first Saturday job and I worked there for about a year until the very day when it closed, which I think was in June 1972. Lots of memories of that area. Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. We may then apply our discretion under the user terms to amend or delete comments. 3 Her daughter had a hairdressers just up from St Constantine's, I think, and my Gran got me to go along and help her wash the towels on Saturday night. Glorious Govan. Somewhere, communication had broken down so completely, that while the latter felt powerless to do anything about the situation, the remedies of the former only made the situation worse. But. Prihlsi sa. The authors would like to thank Glasgow Braendam Link, The Faith in Community (Scotland) Transformation Team, Oxfams UK Poverty Programme, and the Poverty Alliance for suggesting the idea of this project for the worlds Poverty Day on October 17th 2005. We loved the years living there and in 1949, our little sister was born at 22 Shaw St., That same year we moved to Penilee, but when my sister and I were seventeen, our parents moved back to Govan because the house in Penilee was very damp, so our parents got an exchange to a house on Govan Rd., the cooperative building next to Fairfield's shipyard. I lived in Kintra Street from 1946 until 1960 and went to Broomloan Road school then Govan High. Nostalgic 3w Siobhan McCrone Joseph McCrone Going down the pyramids on a bread crate all good till ur fingers caught underneath 7 4w 1 Reply [1][2] By the early 20th century Moorepark was bounded by the commercial properties, tenements and villas of the Broomloan estate to the east and railway lines to the west. Govan covers a huge part of Glasgow's Southside and is famous the world over for its ship building and football team. What Damer said about community could also be said about officialdom for they too can be victims of circumstance whenever decisions for the better do not influence policies for the worse. Marconi Electronic Systems and its Marconi Marine unit were sold to British Aerospace in 1999 to form BAE Systems. 2 Galbraith shop opposite Elderpark, they sold us kids a bag of broken biscuits. I used to visit your Mum and Dad. Delete. I attended Harmony Row School and Hills Trust Primary. I went to Hillstrust School until I was 10 then we moved to Nitshill which I was not so fond of, Govan was a great place to live we were always putting on concerts round the backs and folk would hang out the windows to watch the performance there was always stuff going on or buss-runs that our streets would organise and the Govan Fair, Govanites were great. Old Photographs Govan Glasgow Scotland tourscotland 31K subscribers 111 27K views 5 years ago Tour Scotland wee video of old photographs of Govan, Glasgow, on the south bank of the River Clyde,. My sister and I were married in 1961 at Govan Parish where we were members. I think the whisky bond was one of them. In Cowie Street, Kinning Park there was a pub at the corner but can't remember what it was called? In particular, urban communities are increasingly constrained by both local and governmental authorities, and also by outside economic factors, which can and do prohibit perceived changes for the better. Former. I would like to hear from anybody who knew any of us up until 1981 when my mum and dad left Ibrox to move to Craigton. However, there is the potential for tourism development, for example, the planned development of the Govan Old site, which hosts the historically significant stone carvings, has led to the development of the surrounding townscape and new infrastructure. What a memory. 6 I was born in 1961. The Wine Alley is a boutique wine shop specializing in fine wines from the Pacific NW and Around the world! Anyone remember Quinn's pet shop in Harmony Row? This company continued until 1965, when it filed for bankruptcy. In the Wine Alley, I loved the people more than anything. Small things eh? I was born in Southern General 1971, lived in 1 Elder Street with my mum Ina Quinn and dad Peter Quinn, brothers and sister. Very happy days. [24], Despite these developments, there were numerous older buildings around Govan until quite recently, most notably the terraces and tenements situated around Govan Road. We visited Govan in recent years and is not the same place anymore. Beforesentencing, judge Lord Caplan told Burnside: ''You have been a significant dealer in a dreadful trade and the courts have seen the havoc it causes among young persons. In the early medieval period, the site of the present Govan Old churchyard was established as a Christian centre for the Brittonic Kingdom of Alt Clut (Dumbarton Rock) and its successor realm, the Kingdom of Strathclyde. There was a chapel in the parish at Partick. 10 Bailey and Hastings, 2004, p. 91 Linthouse and Parkgrove were 19th century senior sides, who fell into decline and are now defunct. Later that year Burnside was handed a 12-year prison sentence at the High Court in Glasgow following an 18-day trial, while his three associates got terms of between five and seven years. Life in wine alley I was born in 1950 and brought up in Govan in the Moorepark housing estate or the Wine Alley, as it was commonly known. I loved going to the Steamie with my Mum and her friends. He also complained about the abusive term Wine Alley, which was always quoted by officialdom whenever Moorepark scheme came under discussion If you have a complaint about the editorial content which relates to However, in 1989 the same area was one of the most crime-ridden and deprived in Scotland. I was so focussed what was in front of me, I never looked behind me and I disappeared over the edge. Community organisation. Around this time a second surveillance was being carried out on Burnside and three members of his team who had travelled to Liverpool in another car. We used to listen to all the records being played from Munleys on a Saturday morning. I remember the Neptune Street bakery was always flooded and full of cats but people would still queue up outside it. Govan is served by community radio station Sunny Govan, broadcasting on 103.5FM to the city of Glasgow and surrounding districts, discussing local issues and providing advice, and with diverse musical output covering soul, hip-hop and reggae. I went to St Anthony's then St Gerard's and was there at the same time as Billy Connolly though he is a year older than me. We would also put on a concert in one of the vacant stores that Helen's brother and his wife had access to, the women would make hot peas and vinegar and listen to us all singing and dancing out of sync, but what memories, what sheer fun, I wouldn't trade it for the world today. The answer is 1 authority is necessary because it plays an indispensable mediating role at local and city level through bringing togeth locals and officials. It has taken Govan many years to heal and the spare grounds and scars are all nearly gone. Looking at Govan when it was a village, and film of how it grew into a town, we felt very proud of being born and raised in dear auld Govan. Police enter in twos with another car on standby. 11/2. Several hotel chains have moved in while both BBC Scotland and STV have their studio complexes there. I don't know the name though and wondered if anyone could remember it. Replies. Good times we had, wonder where they all are now and if they remember me. He also sold single woodbine cigarettes out the packet. Log In. The latest victory for the SNP was in the 2007 Scottish parliamentary elections, when Nicola Sturgeon became the MSP for the constituency. We didn't have an inside toilet but had to use one on the landing which served two other families. My Granny lived at 60 Greenfield Street next to Mrs Knox's wee shop. I remember living in a single end tenement (1950's) at 77 Nethan Street and the excitement on a Saturday morning when the man delivered the coal in our bunker which was right next to our bed. Jack, Margaret, Frank, Gerry, May, Charlie and Kathleen, Annie Maguire's 7 children. I went undercover on the 'Wine Alley' to tackle drug problem Ex-undercover police officer Simon McLean has written about his experience tackling Glasgow's drug problem during the 80s. It is situated 2.5 miles (4.0 km) west of Glasgow city centre, on the south bank of the River Clyde, opposite the mouth of the River Kelvin and the district of Partick. I lived at 2 Luath Street in Govan with my Mum and Dad - Cathie and Ronnie Johnston. I used to know a Maureen Murray who lived about there she would be about 72 now. This striking omission harks directly back to Darners time in Moorepark where the community had no say at all in their right to a decent home, in a decent environment, and a decent standard of life.13, Private housing is at present being built on the site of the old Granary at Partick while across the river at Govans Graving Docks, the developing company Bishop Loch have been given permission to alter its original approved plan for the Docks of a hotel and 500 houses. [30] British Shipbuilders' sale of Govan to the Norwegian firm was completed in 1988, and the yard was renamed Kvaerner Govan. Fixed: Release in which this issue/RFE has been fixed.The release containing this fix may be available for download as an Early Access Release or a General Availability Release. The SNP won another by-election victory in 1988, this time with Jim Sillars as candidate. [15], With Morris Pollok as its first Provost, the Burgh and its Commissioners ensured that during the next 48 years Govan became a well-equipped, modern town. I recall going to the Co-op hypermarket on a Saturday morning for messages. First of all, they invited local and international designers to attend a three day team design effort to come up with imaginative projects that would redress the problems they had in their 3-storey, concrete block houses.7, The group then lobbied the City Council, the Scottish Office and finally Westminster, until they were eventually given the go-ahead to revamp one of the old blocks of 6 houses into model they desired. They also discovered in the early days that one gang member was driving about in hired cars. Saturday afternoons were for the matinees at one of the four movie halls; Lyceum, Plaza, Elder and Vogue. 81 Albums for you to enjoy : Bellahouston Academy School Photo's St Saviour's Primary School Photo's Lourdes Primary School Photo's St Gerards School. 15 Saturday Home, 2005, p. 20 16Vindicated1, 2005, p. 1-2, Acknowledgements My granny Flora McFadyen was one of the oldest and longest residents in the Wine Alley. In May 1979, Margaret Thatcher was elected Prime Minister and her ministry soon began its privatisation programme. One summer, I walked to the steamie and managed to get some photos of it. Instead, it referred to the popularity of cheap and powerful tonic wines particularly with young people - the vast consumption of which would often lead to violence and disorder. Her name was Mary Murray. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. My grandparents lived opposite and I remember being sent down to McGunness for an ounce of tobacco for my grand dads pipe. I spent 18 months there before being released on a three-year parole where I took a job in the local Cleansing Department as a midgy-man. Especially in the Scottish context, given the important role that they have played in community planning. We had 4 Cinemas that we could go to and the swimming baths and all the dykes round the back to jump and all the different games we played outdoors until the street lights went on and Dad shouted out the window it was time to come up the stairs. I loved it there we could watch the ships being built and then launched from the bedroom window. Furthermore, although the new regeneration programme mentions housing quality and physical improvements as valid points in deprived locals, they are still regarded as unessential to regeneration. 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