True dat. Second Amendment to the US Constitution, "Get yourself a Glock and lose that nickel plated sissy pistol." Literally has nothing to do with firearm safety. I too have a P89. Cycling against objects using your sight is slow and not easily done. Personally I dont just carry for my own personal defense, but also the defense of my country, my comrades and other citizens. Because if youre smart enough to be worried about a Glock short trigger and trigger safety, youre probably smart enough to know you need to train so that your trigger finger is never in the trigger until the sights are on target, and you take the time to inspect your holster for obstructions before holstering or unholstering. Keep your booger hook off the bang switch, use a good holster . Or tell them to carry only 5 bullets instead of six?? I put into the chamber a primed case w/o powder or bullet. The G44 is the ideal pistol to start or enhance your shooting experience. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[468,60],'guntradition_com-large-leaderboard-2','ezslot_2',112,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-large-leaderboard-2-0');I, as well as others, have tested and tried to get the Safe Action System, to fail but without actually modifying parts, we havent been able to. But that would be true for almost ANY gun that didnt have a manual safety engaged. There is no doubt about it. No, but it requires that everything go right when theres a higher chance of something going wrong. Considering the capabilities of the average glock owner, in front of the muzzle is likely the safest place to be. Glock then redesigned the weapon as a striker fired weapon because they knew the average low I.Q. It degrades my ability to respond and limits my choices, but is still far better than some choice words. Next, there was some discussion about GLOCKs. Me personally I carry a snap cap in the chamber, so if some lucky bastard grabs my gun and shoots hes about to be dead. In the absence of further information, which is never forthcoming, the logical conclusion is: They dont want to fix it. Agree with the author 100%. Still no safety. Is A Glock Safe To Carry Chambered. So the only downside of the top chamber being empty is one less round available before reloading. Off the top of my head, I dont remember actually seeing that, but in The Shootist, John Wayne does mention it. Its interesting to note that Massoud Ayoob reported that when one Police Department got fed up with all the accidental discharges with Glocks and went over to a double action only auto that accidental discharges dropped to almost zero. 7. Is it just something one has to get used to? Especially in a stressful situation. On TTAG anyone can use any name at any time, and that makes it really confusing. Dave: And the 1911 series 80 fits into that category. I wonder how it avoids the googlebots? The general answer is most certainly yes however there are a few considerations. But, OFC, the current crop of TTAG writers are kept too busy chasing sponsors to look up the meaning and physics of the things theyre writing about. In practice? I use either a DiSantis OWB when its jacket/coat weather or an Alien Gear 3.5 IWB when it Polo or T shirt weather. Its your right to be retarded. Even my beloved Browning High Powers (all 6 f them) gave me fits until I found some expanding ammo that would work reliably in them. OFC, most people would rather just follow the herd, but that isnt reasonable, logical, nor wise. Bottom line: For *any* firearm, you have to *put your finger (or some other object) INTO the trigger guard to fire the weapon. So F_____g what? In a way, the GLOCK trigger is similar to a double action revolver trigger. This would require the grip safety to be disabled (a somewhat common modification) or to malfunction. The most common objection was something is better than nothing (or words to that effect). A admit, these days are different a 3 grand safe, that folks have to go look up the damn combo to, or wake up with a shadow looking at them in a dark bedroom and try to get to a box hopefully in reach without getting halfway up out of bed. But unlike the Shield Plus, the Equalizerlike the Shield EZis a single-action as opposed to striker-fired pistol. She now after many painful operations will be a partial cripple for the rest of her life. The NYPD used this excuse several times to get out of a situation, basically saying These new-fangled Glocks just go off on their own. Glocks, Sig Sauer, Smith and Wesson, Barretta, and many other makes are safe to carry chambered, They have . If dropped, the hammer could contact the primer and therefore, fire. For the most part.if the gun goes offsomeone pulled the trigger. If you carry a modern pistol with an exposed trigger, you are own your own. Human brains arent too sure of themselves, and if an expected result does not occur, our brain responds by doing the action again, just to make sure it did it the first time. Must not be working on it very hard. the safety doesnt enter into it. Why would you do that more in a Glock than in *any other firearm*? The problem is not with the Glock trigger, the problem is a lack of training on the part of the operator. The answer is "yes." Milliseconds count. Well, its nice to know Im negligible. They didnt know. plan A: have an empty gun you throw onto the ground to start the action. A revolver with an empty chamber under the hammer IS ready to fire. Correct. Most 1911s come with a half cock safety, but again, you would have to ensure it was engaged properly and its prone to breakage. If my shooting was up to par with my driving Id be like Lena Miculek. The Glock if it came under the Governments Consumer Safety Council would never have been allowed on the market. carrying or keeping a gun with a round in the chamber, Standard Manufacturings New S333 Revolver Fires Two .22 WMR Rounds at a Time, District of Columbia AG Subpoenas NRA Foundation Financial Records, Gov. Well you can either use it as a gun or as a brickI like mine to be carried like a gun. The G44 was thoroughly tested with a wide variety of ammunition to ensure maximum performance and . Ho Hum, Well written (I dont think any of us are going to try to pocket carry a 1911 or a Glock 17.). Ive done this quite a bit when rabbit hunting. Frankly, most of us should be more concerned about our cholesterol anyway. Well, technically, you could also just not drop them I suppose. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'guntradition_com-leader-1','ezslot_8',113,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-leader-1-0');I do know one engineer who figured out that if it was dropped from 221 feet and it lands on the right angle squarely on its barrel, it could possibly go off, but the bullet would immediately strike the ground and not do much after that. Ok, maybe youre taking off your holster and you drop the whole dang thing on the floor. As one gun writer said years ago, its amazing someone was not smart enough to hire a good gun savvy lawyer and sue Glock out of existence with all the accidents this pistol has caused. Alright so you said all the pros, not all are valid. So, as DG said, its a problem in search of a solution. Cruiser ready generally refers to a gun that has a loaded magazine but an empty chamber. I suggest a CZ 75 D PCR, in 9mm. What kind of a moron thought THAT was a good idea? Stop all AR-15 and AR-10 calibers with this RTS Tactical level 3+ Armor Kit. The NRA store version is about $50+ for the small size. Appendix carry, when performed with the right holster and a trained hand, is perfectly safe, and that includes your Glock 19 handgun. . To the point I know I can unholster, rack, and have my tritium dots centered on some perps forehead before they know whats coming. For my "duty firearm", I carry a Glock Mod 22 Gen 4 (.40 S&W cal.). Yes. Also, that gun will then give you a second try at any round that fails to fire the first time. For those of you that don't know, "Israeli Carry" is the practice carrying a pistol without a round in the chamber. Never mind the others. Until I do, its one in the chamber with safety engaged and hammer down on a DA/SA pistol. When something becomes familiar, inattention and negligence become more likely. Furthermore, every person I know or have talked to who does have a single-action revolver Rough Rider, Blackhawk or a replica has other guns that they use for those roles. Those stances, their great for cops and competition but IMO bot so great in a gunfight up close. There are advertisements for trigger jobs on striker fired guns to make them with an even less pull weight!! But thank goodness I dont have to make that choice. in the 20th and 21st centuries, empty chamber is just retarded. Pray the opponent was just carrying a Taser and not a knife. Time waits for no man, and neither do bad guys. Perfect analogy. I assume it had something to do with its mechanics. israeli carry is stupid. Situational risk assessment. Just that for most every use, there are other choices that are better. I got rid of that one, I didnt really need it, but now, sigh, I wish I had it back. When I go hunting, I carry my Remington 700, bolt action rifle with the striker discharged on an empty chamber. I own several safes, and none of them fit in my holster. Bottom line: For *any* firearm, you have to *put your finger (or some other object) INTO the trigger guard to fire the weapon.*. Place your loaded, chambered G19 into the holster (not attached to your belt). There are some days (summer, mostly) when I carry the Walther PK380. Save Share. The good folks at Iver Johnson (related in name only to the company that exists today) developed a lifting bar that sat between the hammer and the primer of the cartridge. You shoud not count on having both hands available while being attacked. Good username though. THAT is a significant, even dangerous, error to be stating as fact. Your taste is in your ass., Your brains (what little you have) are in your ass. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'guntradition_com-box-4','ezslot_7',110,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-box-4-0');Some people are nervous about Glocks because they heard one rumor or another about them. I would consider the weapon fully loaded at this point. So when does your Glock actually have a likely chance of discharging in those two most common klutz behaviors while handling a firearm? Back in the old days of guns, they didnt really have any safety at all. I dont believe anyone has the right to keep me from holding, using and appreciating these art forms. The priming compound could care less WHAT hits it, so long as the blow has sufficient energy to activate the explosive charge in the primer, it will detonate. Best thing you can do is buy a pistol that you can safely carry loaded with one in the chamber. Each new design enhanced the pistol and its features. . I am at a point in my life that I seem to lose a bit more of something every day and way I see it , I can actually admit to myself that I dont totally trust me without that little conscience click of the safety anymore . I just grabbed a shirt from the laundry pile. Modern revolvers (Smith & Wesson, Taurus, Ruger, Kimber) have transfer bar safeties and as such theres no need to mention it. An empty chamber is worthless when you need it and fractions of a second count. The Glock 17 is a full-size pistol that is chambered in 9mm. It's a little bullet with a decent velocity, but will it actually fill the freezer? If waking up to a noise or shadow, I want the piece in my hand as simply and easily as possible, meaning it lays in the headboard. says: How often do you train your driving abilities?. Do you supposes THIS guy knows the six letter word for a firearms dangerous end? Somewhat different than in rural MS tho, speaking as one who attended a full auto shoot at a local range about a month ago. On one of those occurances, my snubbie bbl. I dont understand why anyone who carries a modern firearm is afraid to carry a round in the chamber??? But, IF I were, then Id have to choose that DA revolver in my headboard. IMO, anyway. It appears to me that Darwin and his theory of evolution is again being ignored, if you are dumb enough to carry without forethought, please ace yourself before you breed. Daughter carries the 9. . Empty chamber is one option, but there are others. -John Muir. I have had cops point shotgunms and Rvolvurs at me, made me nervous, now their pointing Glocks at me, and that frightens me to the point of shaking. Length: 7.3. Which gun would you choose if you could only have ONE each of: Rimfire rifle, rimfire pistol, centerfire rifle, centerfire pistol, and shotgun? Concerning long guns that are stored for home defense, I think that "cruiser ready" is the ideal state of readiness for rifles or shotguns. Just not for me. Mine, of course, is in the latter, and it's held up well to a lot of shooting. Well your odds of dying of heart disease is about a thousand times more likely than dying from a criminal attack, so, maybe something to think about. Other sites have no problem getting notifications to work NOW. Which raises the question: How tough can it possibly be to fix? When I carry a semiautomatic pistol for self defense, the chamber is loaded and the safety is on. She was brave. Usually I just get to see Colt SAAs with 16 chamber cylinders. Anything is possible, which is why the smart move is to play to the best probabilities. But my Glock has an empty chamber. We are compensated for referring traffic and business to Amazon and other companies linked to on this site. I will still carry unchambered. Modern revolvers (Smith & Wesson, Taurus, Ruger, Kimber) have transfer bar safeties and as such theres no need to mention it.. I now have a Walther P99 (OK, Im a Walther fan). I can raise and lower the bolt slowly in complete silence. NO - any responsible gun owner should have some reservation until enough information has been provided. and yes i train and rehearse that The New York Trigger as it became known had an 8-pound trigger pull. Because it has no external safety that means you are only 5 lbs away from making the gun fire. His response could be ro shoot you with your gun. So in 2019, are you telling a revolver carrier to carry only 4 bullets instead of five?? In reality, the 1911 with only the grip safety would be as safe or safer than the Glock. Thats not a very fresh idea. While numbers vary, reacting to something - anything - takes a . THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY AND ONLY ONE WAY TO CARRY A GLOCK SAFELY AND THAT IS WITH AN EMPTY CHAMBER PERIOD AND THERE CAN BE ZERO ARGUMENT ABOUT THAT IF YOU ARE STILL IN CONTROL OF YOUR MENTAL FACULTIES AND NOT LIVING IN A NARCISSISTIC FANTASY WORLD OF GLOCK UTOPIA. The idea behind the floating firing pin is that if the firing pin is heavy enough, but made too short to actually be driven into the primer by the hammer, then when the hammer drops, the pin will be struck hard enough to give the pin enough of its own inertia to fire the round, yet then rebound to the rear. It could easily tuck into a nightstand safe or tossed into a range bag. Those who defend not carrying a round in the chamber preach about it's safety. Ive been known to knock over a glass of milk , spill my coffee down my chin , have people toot their horn at me from time to time , you get my point . All the out of battery safeties do is, in one way or another, block the hammer from providing that energy to the pin until the gun is fully locked into battery. OK , Ill bite this time , I let it pass the first (hundredth) time , but Im all in now . I assume the manual safety was also engaged, but such a strap on the holster sounds pretty good, as well! Didnt check that the gun was clear. I agree about the Colt SAA. It wont matter if the slide is in battery or not. Despite its . In fact, Ill prove it. One common question among Glock owners is whether or not they can shoot aluminum cased ammunition in their . Do it right; prepare the firearm for immediate use and take the neccessary precautions given that state of readiness. The guns must of been 1911s or Browning HPs or similar SA only. After all, this aint Dodge City and you aint Bill Hickok. Apply the 21 foot rule. Glock 17. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! No, but itll do the job in almost all instances. On the other hand, most other striker-fired pistols count on the recoil spring to cock the striker. If you are a dumb person who cannot immediately see why it is dumb, go to Youtube and watch dumb people like you dying in a hail of bullets while they struggle with the slides on their unchambered guns. The others can safely be carried with a round under the hammer, with little to no chance of firing if the hammer should be hit or snagged. The most obvious one is we have an external safety. Victoria: I did find a workaround though. OMG I love those old Fractured Fairy Tales shows! But do suggest they make more of them and lower the price for us plebes. Just old school geeze, too used to doing the hard chit the same way, but it worked for me. so i compensate for that with situational awareness and trying not to put myself in situations or places where that will happen Folks, a GLOCK (or any other striker-fired pistol) is perfectly safe with a little intelligence combined with a bit of assiduity. Ive committed all those errors and I grew from them. I asked administrator. So yes, its completely safe. While I believe training is the answer, its not just fingers that are the problem. For all those terrified at Condition One semi-autos, a percentage carried hunting shotguns afield for upland game and waterfowl every one with the . Wonder why guns are the most logical option? Torture tests are silly and prove nothing about a gun. Come on, Gov, you know better than that. It was called Fractured Fairy Tales, The difference between you and me is I am real you live in a virtual reality world oh and btw dummy they dont call it Glock perfection for nothing, Your rants always remind me of that long ago cartoon show. Apply the 21 foot rule with the holy glock with a round chambered (Im pretty sure that as I was at the Vatican admiring Michelangelos ceiling, it was definitely a glock God was passing to Adam in the famous reclining scene), I bet you you will still lose just as badly. 4) In such a rush and excitement even in a holster such as the case in Florida the police officer shot himself and the wall in a school and was clearly not in fear or stressed, so in all counts safety and training cause in the heat of the moment you may grab fast and shoot yourself. If something else provides that energy to the pin, the primer wont care whether its in a chamber or not. I never carried a gun before my G27. Long story short, I let it be known that I thought carrying with an empty chamber is a mistake. Most cap and ball revolvers have carry notches between the nipple notches. Does the Glock fire then? The LC9s can not be fired in any other way accidently unless the trigger is deliberately pulled. Glock dominates the handgun market in both the United States and around the globe. My AR is half loaded with the mag in but unchambered. I have four. Um, Smith & Wesson doesnt use a transfer bar, they use a hammer block. Five years ago I reviewed the Glock 43, the second pistol in Glock's "Slimline" series of thin grip pistols. I answered the asked question. A little background: When Israel was founded, "drop safe" firearms were not as common as today and the fledgling state had a mixed bag . Even in that highly unlikely scenario, the gun would likely kill them anyway, even without going off, by blunt trauma alone. Still disagree? I could be ELI2016 if I wanted to. Victoria: In non service activities, all occurred either nearly cheek to cheek, face to face, or less than 3 ft. when chit went south, and it happens so fast, Id bet few if any pro operators could rack then stack em 1911s are traditionally carried empty chamber (probably a bad idea) or cocked and locked: hammer cocked and slide mounted safety engaged. And so easy to correct. Who honestly gives a F*ck what someone else chooses to do. I will always carry chambered because I keep my fingers where they belong and therefore don't worry about it. That photo of the safe is cute, if completely patronizing to those who make the kids argument. There are no Glock negligent discharges *without* the word *negligent* in the incident description. If anybody could advise me, I'd be grateful. And I include all the copy cat weapons as well as they are as common as the common cold. The M&P Shield is a popular and commonplace pistol for concealed carry. I made a folder called TTAG comments, and put all pages Ive commented on in there. Those who scream that everybody who doesnt think exactly like them, pick the same options as them, etc., are dumb for not recognizing that they are perfection itself, are just more of the loads of SJW types out for attention by putting everything and everybody down, to make themselves feel a bit better about not having a life. It would be as if a round was pushed into the ground, primer up, and then a firing pin dropped from a height, point down, directly into the primer. And an unloaded weapon does you no good if/when you need it. Israeli special forces dont empty chamber carry. The 223/5.56 is the most common centerfire rifle cartridge in the US. When you carry, do you keep it chambered or do you keep it unchambered so you'd have to actually chamber your gun when you need to use it? Not only that, but the holster allows you to "re-holster" off body which also greatly reduces the odds of clothing or something getting caught in the trigger guard. Consider this, if everyone carried a weapon in condition 3, how many mass shootings would there be? The overall size of this firearm is much smaller and that shows with a barrel length of 3.43 inches and a slide length of 6.26 inches. June 2016. Does the gun have a firing block mechanism. Youd figure Colt would have gotten with the program by now and made the SAA with a transfer bar. Made up a little fixture to hold the gun on a piece of pipe, stood up on a ladder and let the gun fall onto its muzzle. Im not interested in Israeli carry of a firearm. There is one thing very different between handling a car and handling a weapon a 4000 pound vehicle traveling at 62mph carries over half a million foot pound of energy vs ~350ft/lbs out of your little 9mm or .45 pea shooter. Ive run an experiment with a rough 1911 with a POS barrel that was scrap. Perfect for everyday carry, the compact Glock 43 is a popular concealed carry option chambered in 9mm. A loaded GLOCK, some of the comments went, is susceptible to the dreaded GLOCK ND (negligent discharge). If I have to carry a compact, its a DA only with no safety or one with the safety off. To fire the pistol, the trigger safety and the trigger itself must be deliberately depressed at the same time. The list of pistols that have a drop safety to prevent the gun from going off unintentionally when impacted is quite long you need to look no further than any of the handguns allowed in the . 3.Is it Safed to Carry a Glock With one in the Chamber - Gun Tradition. For those afraid of carrying cocked and locked or striker-fired guns, the XD-E is a better choice than chamber-empty carry. Its funny how a pimp like VLAD TEPES is accepted and sometimes glorified for his rhetoric of cut and paste (fake news) values but a person who simply chooses a different way of carrying is villified and demonized by those who scream for personal freedom. and you can have a hammer strap optioned for anything with a hammer except dao. If the trigger safety is not depressed, the trigger will not move rearwards and allow the pistol to fire. Not an appreciable amount of time. I can see no valid reason to carry a modern weapon in condition 3 as long as youre observant and safety conscious when holstering/re-holstering your weapon. In the 1930's, W.E. I for one dont want to take the chance of fumbling around with a gun trying to rack the gun under pressure. If you did not realize the design is dangerous, you would not have spent so much time belaboring the obvious. Because of its usefulness and reliability, many police and government agencies adopted this model as their service pistol. Just remember, about the only way you can deactivate the safety mechanism is with your finger. Usually I just get to see Colt SAAs with 16 chamber cylinders. Width: 1.18. If I was gona carry an empty gun Id carry a full sized 1911, that way if I had to throw it at somebody it would weigh enough to hurt when it him them. Because there are a lot of areas where carrying a firearm will bite you if you cant get it right. Unlikely. I have four (4) SA revolvers. Sykes wrote their highly influential book, " Shooting To Live," based on their experiences with the Shanghai Police Department. link to What is a Pistol Caliber Carbine. No external safey, DA trigger that goes bang when you pull it.. But, on the bright side, ammoland just revamped their comment section so comments now dont take days/never to show up. Your local police do exactly that. Are Glocks Safe To Carry Chambered. sounds like bullshat urban legend.. One observation concerning all the keyboard commandos here they seem to make the assumption that people primarily carry guns in preparation for a gunfight, and this is not always true. Im so glad to have seen the one person who never makes a mistake! This makes it about five ounces lighter than another popular 9mm Luger gun, the Glock 19. I have a CCW and am carrying the Glock in a Galco Stow-n-Go IWB holster. you are correct. I thought I counted 17 in the battle scene in Open Range. Like a handgun, the defensive long gun should be secured in a safe or one of the wall-mounted quick-access locks. The Glock trigger is too light and too short to be safe. I used one of those saf-t blocks that can be pushed out of the trigger real easy. Or even sex. without going into details i have it set up that theres no way anybody gets in my house at night without making enough noise for a long enough time that i wont have enough time to wake up and get my wits about me and get my firearm and charge it while on my way to the threat Sound off in the comments. So lets just say its a personal choice and your way isnt better than mine, but I will never accidently shoot my leg or foot. Ammoland was intelligent enough to allow only one person to use a name at a time. Each brand-new model enhanced the pistol and its functions. One in the chamber is NOT ALWAYS the best option. You do what you gotta do or are allowed to do. It is also the choice of many Canadian cops services. Heres how all of this bogus started. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p28yT3Z3oj8&t=7347s Seems more in line with your abilities. or not. and so as to keep continuity in their mindset they keep that same gun on the headboard at night with no round in the chamber so that there wont be any confusion This is not remotely comparable to carrying a semiauto with an empty chamber, where the slide must be racked to make the gun ready to fire. Brain farts are a universal malady that effects 100% of all humans and the Glock and its clones are probably the least idiot proof handgun ever invented. So in 2019, are you telling a revolver carrier to carry only 4 bullets instead of five?? I have a Sig DA/SA, fully loaded no problem. But, some want only one item to cover every base. You've only seen one page. Glock G21 439. at Guns.com. De nada. You just have to scroll down to it. I would like to carry at the ready, but doing so really gives me the heebie-jeebies. We were assured that; were working on it. I carried a 1911 for awhile and the duty holsters made for 1911s have the retaining strap that goes across the back of slide, which also blocks the hammer from firing pin. Point the holstered G19 downrange at a target and try to fire it without removing it from the holster. Let the flaming begin, No flame. When she holstered her Glock .40 it went off and the bullet went down her leg utterly destroying it. Is A Glock Safe To Carry Chambered. Only ONE centerfire pistol? Of course, I do concede you point, it just that it brought Monty Python to mind and I improvised from there. uncommon_sense: I would hope that, by now, you know whether or not the handgun you actually OWN has a firing pin safety. Between the trigger safety, the firing pin safety and the drop safety I feel very comfortable carrying it chambered. I have yet to find a dumb ass vaccine. I couldve even been Ken again, like I was here years ago. Momentum and all. I doubt it. Certified Glock Armorer, Colt Armorer, FN Armorer, Beretta Armorer, Smith and Wesson revolvers Armorer. Safe and ready when I am. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. So you have no quibble with the line; If dropped, the hammer could contact the primer and therefore, fire., in relation to SA revolvers? As a top performer in reliability and safety tests, it quickly entered into the Austrian military and police service. I got two strikers, finally, couple years ago, a 9mm and a 40. One near each upstairs door and one near the basement door. Whats the controversy? Nope. 4 under extreme stress you may short stroke it. What is wrong with such ones is that they get a nice, warm, mushy, feeling of superiority over others by putting them down. Go get a titanium firing pin. I submit extremely unlikely. That is a good point that I have never heard before. about carrying or keeping a gun with a round in the chamber. Its an unnatural, metallic noise that spooked him instantly, and I missed the snap shot at a running target, and he was gone. If you don't just pick ONE, then IMO you are always going to wonder if you're chambered or no.
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